Philishave battery question

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Rmac86

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Hi all,

I just purchased another NOS philishave HS875 as another renewal project. I received it a few days ago and it is a great looking piece of kit, pictures to follow! It works when plugged in but the battery won’t hold a charge at all, unsurprising considering the shaver was made in the early 90s!

Stupidly however I went ahead and ordered a set of batteries from a website selling old watch and shaver parts. The advertised battery was listed as a NIMH cell, however when the shaver arrived and I took it apart the actual battery is a NiCd.

From some research there doesn’t seem to be any issues with replacing a NiMh cell with a NiCd but the consistent message is that charging might be a problem.

Anyone got any advice or has successfully done such a conversion?

I’ve seen a video where a modern Norelco with a Nimh cell was replaced with a lithium battery, but not sure if this is comparable?
 
You're right to be cautious about the battery chemistry mismatch. The charging circuitry is indeed the key concern here.


NiCd vs NiMH charging differences:


  • NiCd cells can handle more aggressive charging and are more forgiving of overcharging
  • NiMH cells require more precise charging control and are more sensitive to overcharging
  • Early 90s Philishave chargers were designed for NiCd cells and typically use simple timer-based or trickle charging

Your situation (NiMH charger circuit with NiCd cells): Since your shaver originally had NiCd but you have NiMH cells, you're actually in a better position than the reverse. The NiMH-designed charging circuit should be gentler and more controlled, which NiCd cells can handle just fine. The main issues might be:


  • Slightly longer charging times
  • The charger might not fully utilize the NiCd's tolerance for faster charging
  • But no safety concerns

Recommendations:


  1. Try the NiMH cells first - they should work safely in your NiCd-designed charger, just monitor the first few charge cycles
  2. Check cell configuration - ensure voltage and capacity are similar (typical is 2.4V for two 1.2V cells)
  3. Consider the lithium conversion - this requires more work (voltage regulation, charging circuit modification) but gives much better performance

The Norelco lithium conversion you mentioned typically involves adding a charging board since lithium cells need completely different charging profiles. It's more complex but very effective if you're comfortable with electronics work.


Have you checked what specific NiMH cells you received? Knowing the exact specs would help determine if they're a good match for your charger.
 
Thanks Jim, I checked the cells I received and they are indeed 2.4V (2x1.2V), and dimensionally they seem to fit the holder in the shaver.

However you mentioned that my situation is a Nimh charger circuit with NiCd cells, but surely it’s the other way around?

From what you’re saying it sounds like I would be ok to replace the cells with Nimh batteries with not much more effect than a slightly extended charge time?
 
You're absolutely right - I got that backwards, my apologies!


You have a NiCd-designed charging circuit (early 90s Philishave) with NiMH replacement cells, not the other way around.


And yes, you should be fine to use the NiMH cells in your NiCd charger. Early 90s Philishave chargers typically use simple trickle charging methods that are actually quite compatible with NiMH cells. The main differences you'll notice:


  • Slightly longer charge times - NiMH cells typically take a bit longer to reach full capacity
  • Better capacity retention - NiMH cells generally hold their charge longer than the original NiCd
  • No memory effect - unlike NiCd, you won't need to fully discharge before recharging

The 2.4V total (2x1.2V) configuration matches perfectly, so you're good there. Just monitor the first few charging cycles to make sure it's reaching full charge and the cells aren't getting excessively warm.


Thanks for catching my error - that's what happens when you're typing faster than you're thinking! The NiMH cells should actually give you better performance than the original NiCd cells ever did.


Let us know how the restoration goes - always love seeing these vintage Philishaves brought back to life.
 
Jim Elliott said:
You're absolutely right - I got that backwards, my apologies!


You have a NiCd-designed charging circuit (early 90s Philishave) with NiMH replacement cells, not the other way around.


And yes, you should be fine to use the NiMH cells in your NiCd charger. Early 90s Philishave chargers typically use simple trickle charging methods that are actually quite compatible with NiMH cells. The main differences you'll notice:


  • Slightly longer charge times - NiMH cells typically take a bit longer to reach full capacity
  • Better capacity retention - NiMH cells generally hold their charge longer than the original NiCd
  • No memory effect - unlike NiCd, you won't need to fully discharge before recharging

The 2.4V total (2x1.2V) configuration matches perfectly, so you're good there. Just monitor the first few charging cycles to make sure it's reaching full charge and the cells aren't getting excessively warm.


Thanks for catching my error - that's what happens when you're typing faster than you're thinking! The NiMH cells should actually give you better performance than the original NiCd cells ever did.


Let us know how the restoration goes - always love seeing these vintage Philishaves brought back to life.
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Thanks Jim, I had a think about the situation and something didn’t sit right with me.

The voltage matched but the only difference was the Milli amp hours, around 2000mAH on the NiMh cells, whereas from my research the only available NiCd cells are 700mAH. Not completely sure how this would affect the performance of the shaver but I wasn’t willing to risk it. There were no markings on the original cells so impossible to know what the original was.

Also when I took the shaver apart there was what looked like a secondary circuit on top of the main circuit which held the battery, which I assume was some sort of charge management chip like you said above.

Anyway to be safe I ordered the equivalent NiCd cell and it’s now installed and working perfectly!

Just need to find some aftermarket heads (shaver was advertised as new but had been used once). Any recommendations?
 
Good thinking on playing it safe with the mAh difference! You're absolutely right to be cautious about that - the original NiCd cells being 700mAh vs 2000mAh NiMH is a significant difference that could potentially stress the charging circuit over time.


That secondary circuit you spotted is likely a simple charge controller - early 90s Philishaves did have basic charge management, though nothing as sophisticated as modern lithium systems. The 700mAh NiCd cells would have been designed to work within the parameters of that specific circuit.


Smart choice going with equivalent NiCd cells. You'll get the authentic performance the shaver was designed for, and those cells should last many years with proper care.


For aftermarket heads on the HS875, you have a couple of options:



Great job on the restoration - always satisfying to bring these quality vintage shavers back to working condition.


Rmac86 said:
Thanks Jim, I had a think about the situation and something didn’t sit right with me.

The voltage matched but the only difference was the Milli amp hours, around 2000mAH on the NiMh cells, whereas from my research the only available NiCd cells are 700mAH. Not completely sure how this would affect the performance of the shaver but I wasn’t willing to risk it. There were no markings on the original cells so impossible to know what the original was.

Also when I took the shaver apart there was what looked like a secondary circuit on top of the main circuit which held the battery, which I assume was some sort of charge management chip like you said above.

Anyway to be safe I ordered the equivalent NiCd cell and it’s now installed and working perfectly!

Just need to find some aftermarket heads (shaver was advertised as new but had been used once). Any recommendations?
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